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Posted on 08-08-10 7:23 PM     [Snapshot: 46]     Reply [Subscribe]
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"Here goes our tax money"

 
Posted on 08-09-10 10:24 PM     [Snapshot: 563]     Reply [Subscribe]
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This is the subject worth discussing,this is our  bitter fact  asd the sadest part of our life,If u pretend to forget u cant, this is a history , history is past ,so  present has the intengible relation with the past...


I raised the issue 


 
Posted on 08-10-10 8:28 AM     [Snapshot: 631]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Homeyji, I was being sarcastic, simply because I have no interest in engaging in this argument where

the motive is not to get educated and find a solution but is to prove that your theory is right. Your post with dialogues is self evident, obviously it had to be Kiddo who had to say “you are right” blah blah blah.


Let’s stop that discussion.


 


Gadhikari, I wanted to stop posting on this thread as the conversation was going somewhere else, but what you raise is a legitimate issue. I would give more credibility to what you have to say on this topic, as a Bhutanese refugee yourself, than anybody else including myself. I know we haven’t done enough, but do you agree that Nepal herself is going through a very sensitive phase. Our basic rights are not protected and we have seen the biggest herd of migration exiting the country. People chose to work in a place (Gulf countries) where 2 deaths/day are common than stay in their own country. With this civil unrest in the country, we definitely haven’t been able to give enough attention to the Bhutanese plight. I know we could have done better but would you agree that we certainly aren’t the cause of all this like somebody here claims?


 


Nepal has tried to engage Bhutan and India on the policy discussion regarding Bhutanese refugees and those two haven’t buldged. If there is anything we can do to escalate your issue let us know what can be done. We will definitely help our fellow Bhutanese as much we can. I have few Tibetan friends and some Bhutanese friends and when I am with them I never feel like they are from a different country, not just because they all speak Nepali (ok only 2 Tibetan friends do, but all Bhutanese friends are good at it) but also because there is a sense of camaraderie.


 
Posted on 08-10-10 11:13 AM     [Snapshot: 661]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Gadhikari ju,
As Kiddo ju has mentioned above, being yourself a refugee, you do have authentic information than any of us commenting in this thread.

In the above quoted line, I should have written

"If you migrate in mass, and try not to integrate
within the local community, they will certainly be conscious. If they
feel a risk, then they will try to chase you out because they are there
before you. If you are strong enough, you will resist or even win up to throne. If not, you may need to surrender or suffer. They won't accept you until they are fearless with you."

This is a general trend for all migrating communities in Asia, Africa, Middle East or even in Americas, not only in Bhutan. 

It is the responsibility of Bhutanese Government and Lhotsampa to keep the record of migration, and find out historic evidences to settle the debate. The stories based on "hearsay" has been the source of trouble in many conflicting claims. Is there any documentation or standing reference about the treaty with Ram Shah?  The Bhutanese officials accept bringing of Newar craftsperson in request, and some architectural evidences support that claim, but Ram Shah was not a king of Newar people in his time. I therefore asked "
Did they (the migrated newars) merge with "Dzonkha" or "Nepali" or remain a separate tiny group within Bhutan?" I am expecting your answer.

In the days of traditional governance, all migrations were legal. The concept of "illegal" is not relevant  unless there is documented records or census. For example, Bhutan identifies 1958, to officially separate legal and illegal status of nepali community. Does that mean everyone migrated before 1958 is legal (no matter whether from Tibet, Nepal, India or any other region)? Then, how the people migrated at the time of Ram Shah cannot present the proof of residency?

Nepal is a conservative country when it comes to accepting foreign citizens. It hesitates accepting returning mass of its blood. See the conflict and problems of NRNs, who are not welcome in Nepal even though they flied out of the country with Nepalese passport in hand.

The Bhutanese refugee case has larger complexities. Perhaps there was a bigger political and diplomatic game behind this saga. It is the bitter truth that Nepal failed to meet the expectation of Bhutani Khas speakers. Nepal had plenty of issues to deal with while Bhutani mass in Nepal was suffering. Nepal can not provide feastful rice or comfortable shelter to its own citizen (see how people are living in caves and jungles in some remote parts). Nepal at least provided free shelter and a conducive environment for Bhutanese people to survive, struggle and land in better opportunity. You guys need to be thankful to that rather than spitting sour for your hardship.

I am not aggressive to Bhutani Khas speakers. I have full sympathy and I always wished to have Nepalese government to help solve this problem with adequate support. I personally have fought and debated badly with my own friends who have abused and extort Bhutanese brothers and sisters in their hard days. I do not want to detail my experience of Beldangi region (2055-2057) here, but it hurts me when you blame I am aggressive toward Bhutanese mass in Nepal.

As a student of social science, I am curious to know why Khas migrants have problem with other locals all over the region in and out of the boundary of Nepal. For example, they are disliked by local inhabitants in Bhutan, Meghalaya, Burma, Assam, Silliguri, Dehradun etc. They are also disliked by local inhabitants in Magarat, Tamu-region,  Limbu and Khumbu regions in the hill, including Koch-Tharu-Maithil-Abadh region in Terai and Kathmandu valley within Nepal.

The similarity I see in all those places is none other than "the
lack of cultural integration, mutual respect, and assimilation". It is recorded that wherever the Khas community migrates, they kill culture and language of local inhabitants, which is very very wrong. If a lesson is learnt from this entire episode, it would benefit to the entire Khas community. You guys should be the first people to properly analyze and realize what went wrong with you all. Emotional recitals (such as mentioning your days  under  leaking plastic roof and stitched clothes ) would not be helpful at all to understand the true problem and solution.
 
I hope you will answer my questions and try to understand what I am talking about.

 
Posted on 08-10-10 4:45 PM     [Snapshot: 765]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Homeyji,

I do not know if it would be fair to draw parallel between Jews and Nepali (I am not sure why the word "Nepali" is used for Khas speakers of Bhutan, I would appreciate if anyone could explain it) in Bhutan.

The Bhutanese Nepali community is the community of hard working and honest people, who love their country Bhutan as much as the Dzonkha speakers do. They have a lot of contribution to develop Bhutan. They founded bed rocks of the modern Bhutan. Unlike Jews, Bhutani Nepali community were not investing or building the nation for their benefit only. Their economic contribution was dedicated for the entire Bhutan.

The problem with them was the social problem. The Dzonkha speakers were threatened by the unwillingness of Nepali community to accept and accommodate their cultural and lingual pride. This seems to be the major point of conflict. But the way they dealt with this problem is not acceptable to me. If the Dzonkha people blame about unwillingness to integrate, I want to ask, what did they (the Dzonkhaa) do to integrate them (the Nepali) before charging the blame against the Nepali?

There is still a large number of Khas speakers in Bhutan, who are not forced to leave out but are forced to mold them into Dzonkha culture. With this refugee problem unsolved, the Dzonkha speakers now have upper hand in Bhutan, and perhaps a dominating attitude toward Khas speakers. The Dzonkha speakers should not try to kill "Khas" language and culture either. I think, it is now the responsibility of Bhutanese refugee to make this issue heard around the world and save their countrymen from the cultural encroachment of Dzonkha.



 
Posted on 08-10-10 5:55 PM     [Snapshot: 787]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Samarthan,


Are you insinuating that the Jews were only looking out for themselves in other nations?


Anyway, there is no more need to comment on this thread since Gadhikari in his infinite wisdom arbitrarily deleted posts that he didn't feel were fit for his cause and so this whole thread has lost context. Great way to garner sympathy Gadhikari.


 
Posted on 08-10-10 6:34 PM     [Snapshot: 801]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Homeyji,

"Are you insinuating that the Jews were only looking out for themselves in other nations?"

Not precisely if we look in a bigger picture, but other people, who hated them, took the Jews' contribution fulfilling their purpose only. Therefore the jews were painted as parasites. However, the Bhutanese refugee are painted in different way by the Bhutanese government.




 



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