Maoist brutality

bhumi_gh
Look..I do not believe in the doctrine inspired by George Bush in which he uses the phrase "Either with us or against us". If the world were like BLACK AND WHITE the life would have been so simple and great place.

Well, anyway, from whom is Royal Nepal Army trying to keep the country safe ?
Is it the Maoist or RNA itself. From the thousands of evidence itself it is "ultra clear" that the Maoist are using terror, and RNA has used the very same tactics of terror to counter the terror of the Maoists.

You mean getting rid of terror by the use of another terror ?

You mean to say if the Maoist use the terror it automatically get the label of terror but when the RNA uses the very same act of terror it does not qualify as an act of terror ?

If such mentatlity were not present in the Nepal Police force, they would have defeated the Maoists in 1998.

Operation Romeo (1994-1995) and Operation Kilo Shera 2 (1997-1997) were the first two major operations launched against the Maoists to completely get rid of Maoists.
See what happened after those two operations, instead being completely destroyed, the Maoist movement gained drastically and expanded to the persent scale NOT because the most people in those region joined Maoist but because there was no one to check and balance the brutal acts committed by the Police during those two major operations.

I guess no one helped the Maoist expand and gain the momentum more than the security forces of govt of Nepal. I guess even Baburam and Prachanded must had had been surprised by the unexpected help from the unexpected source.

PresidentofNepal

Well, since the beging of Iraq war, the Iraqi civilian casulties are not accounted for by the Americans which gives a message that Iraqi lives are not as important as the American lives therefore even (Iraqi) casulty figures are not worth keeping therefore there is no data Iraqi civilian casulty figures.

At least Nazis kept a complete record of millions of prisoners before and after they were murdered in their concentration camps across the eastern Europe in the World War 2.

This is the reality of maoist brutality in nepal.......

but this chart shows different scenario........

Red:- killed by maosit
Green:- killed by army

usofa

At least the Maoist murder or brutally injure civillians and leave the gruesome bodies in the open and public place therefore the public and the news media can report it (picture in the begining of the thread is an example). At at least the Maoists frankly admit it and take the responsibility of such actions no matter how poorly they justify their actions behind their acts, Which make newsmedia to figure out the number of murdered and injured civillians by the Maoists with far greater accuracy.

Does Nepal Police Force and RNA murders civillians and leave their bodies in the open and public place so that the public and the news media can see it? Do we know or will we ever be able to know how many civillians might have been killed by the RNA and Nepal Police in the past ?

If they were to leave the bodies in the public place for the public and the news media to see it would have been 1000 times easier to know accuracy of death counts caused by the RNA and the Police. Even an admission of murder would make it so easy to know at least the number of deaths.

And how about the ones who were arrested, killed and burried without the knowledge of public or the press ?

The difference over here is that the Maoists do it openly so we know the number of caculty and the scale of brutality on dead and injured civilians but unfortunately Royal nepal Army and the Police do the very same acts of brutality in secrecy so we neither know the number of civilian casaulty nor the scale of brutality.

After the so called democracy, its not an irony that Nepal's situation has been true to murphy's law. We all have contributed towards it one way or another. And thus came (more or less) the movement, a political intially; but 'genocidal' as the time sailed by. The movement is popularly known as "Prachanda path" aka a blood path if you ask me. A blood of innocent, poor, hardworking; people who basically have hard time to meet their hands to mouth (typical nepali, if i may).

Those so called revolutionary radical group went for the blood bath of exactly the same people who were the likes of themselves to begin with. In the meanwhile those who were close to the mighty and sacrosanct, who in large part were the very oppressive people that radical group were/are rebelling against remain untouched.

Off comes the RNA, to protect the country and moreover their master who is sacrosanct to them, for their own (ulterior) motives, and the "clean-up" act. In the due course along with its lesser powerful colleagues Nepal Police & Nepal Sasastra Police ( hence, NP & NSP respectively) in the name of duty, protection and serving the Nation ( read primarily KING & Infamous politicians) they more of less adhere to the same route of killing innocent "typical Nepalese". Initially, NP and NSP buoyant by the presence of RNA showed gallant face, and presumed a pre-empted victory. But after more or less realizing and facing the fear of their lives they started to use all means ( read violence, disappearance, torture, killing) along with their big brother RNA, which lead the way.

Now the question arises, are RNA ( with NP & NSP) any better than Maoist? I say, a subtle at times, yet, a resounding YES. They can not be put in the same scale. Sometimes, as unfortunate as it is, we HAVE to unknowingly or otherwise adhere to the paths our enemies'. For/ If they themselves have to fear for their life, why can they not react ( when necessary and short of choice) to their enemies actions.

Let me explain, Tango a beautiful dance, if i'm not wrong, is lead by man, just like many others.The female follows the man. If the man leads the female to wrong moves and hence, female follows, in absense of any choice ( at that moment), I agree the fault lies on both of them, but more so, with the man. Ditto here. Maoist lead the way for brutal killing, mass murder, committing heinous crimes, went on a rampage like an elephant, crushing each and everyone on its way, EXCEPT the one who they were supposed to.

To some extent RNA, NP, NSP followed suit. Both inexplicable, and inhuman, but when weighted on the "Dosh Naapne Taraju" maoist leads they way by heaps. The genesis for RNA to follow suit in this disgusting act is maoist itself. Thus in my book, in the law of averages, maoists ares more blameworthy than RNA.

The picture speaks for itself.

Disgusted with maoist & disapointed with RNA
IndisGuise::((

With a detailed documentation and a gross photographs of brutalities committed by the Maoists appearing every now and then it definately appears as if Maoist are far more inhumane than RNA and police.

Thanks to the policy of RNA and police, the policy practiced over the years allows RNA and police to committ the very similar brutal acts in absolute secrecy. Shoot, Shovel and Shut up.

Maoist are damnn stupid. May be their image might not have had tarnished to this level and would not have appeared that brutal in the eyes among us if they have had followed the same policy as RNA and police of Shoot, Shovel and Stut up.

Who would have possibly ever find about the person in the picture(at the begining of this thread)was ever killed so brutally if they had followed the same policy of Shoot, Shovel and Shut up like RNA and police ?

May be the Maoist commanders should revise their policy on this regard.........ha ha ha ha

indira Didi,
I am not surprised, at least; you do believe Maoists are brutal. But I have some arguments with your frivolous comments on Maoist being frank to admit their brutality. To some extend, I am confused; if that is a political humor or serious facts!
As far as I know; "terrorism is the use of force and threats to frighten people into obeying completely." It means, in your own words; Maoist are frankly admitting that are terrorizing Nepali by taking the responsibility of such action no matter how poorly they justify their actions behind their act.

PresidentofNepal dude

who the heck is Indra Didi ?

Anyway,It's both, humor and facts. Almost like asking someone "who is more brutal among two murderers".

By the way thanks for accecpting the defination in which in your own words, "Terrorism is a use of force or threats to frighten people into obeying completely."

I agree with you more than ever. "Operation Romeo" and "Operation Kilo Shera 2" in the vilages of Rolpa, Rukum, Jajarkot etc launched by Nepal Police commandos in 1998 are one of the typical examples of waves of terror (for which Baburam and Prachanda must have had thanked Nepal Police commandos for spreading such waves of terror. )

Presidentofnepal aka pres bainii.. let this be my last addressed sentence ending the fruitless quest for stinking humor.

" am not surprised, at least; you do believe Maoists are brutal. But I have some arguments with your frivolous comments on Maoist being frank to admit their brutality. To some extend, I am confused; if that is a political humor or serious facts!
As far as I know; "terrorism is the use of force and threats to frighten people into obeying completely." It means, in your own words; Maoist are frankly admitting that are terrorizing Nepali by taking the responsibility of such action no matter how poorly they justify their actions behind their act"

---------- Please refer to what i wrote. In your obsession to stick with your humor, you perhaps missed WHO wrote WHAT. Apart from me believing the FACT that Maoist are brutal, rest of your gibberish though valid, is directed towards wrong person.

And as for myself, for so much of saying, maoist should have done been more discreet and followed "the same policy of Shoot, Shovel and Shut up like RNA and police " and revising the policy, my humble opinion netaa ji is............. they CAN/WILL not do that.

Nope, not becasue they are STUPID. But because, they need to instill FEAR, and are cohesive TERRORISTS who can hide many of the dead bodies of their commarades but would care less to hide their victims mercilessly abused &/ or killed.

you see, terrorist by nature, has to use this tacticts to show their brutality and thus to suceed in their sick motive, as presidentofusa mentioned,"terrorism is the use of force and threats to frighten people into obeying completely". What better way to do this other than let people SEE how inhuman, heartless these Son of a B****S they are. Period.

If you would ask me, both RNA and maoist are guilty, but the point here, if i am not mistaken is WHOZ more responsible and are they equally to be blamed. Now, lets ask ourselves, if some mad men starts to fire indiscriminately and are killing people, could the other group trying to shoot down those mad men to protect the people (although some better killed aka those useless politicians and corrupt leaders) in general, but also hurts the people, EQUALLY responsible?

Logically, i presume the answer should be NO.

Rest, to each to their own.

Indisguise:)

Well, it very possible to come to an argument that Maoist do not necessary want to cause a large civillian casulty but rather likes to make a point by killing few with maximum brutality so that they set that up as an example at the cost of some lives therefore installing fear.

May be people have to make a hard choice between "living in fear" because of the Maoist or "not living at all" because of the policy of RNA and police.

In the last paragraph you have brought a notion which basically means (from the example of mad men shooting at people indiscrminately) Maoist are killing or brutalizing people indiscriminately. Looking at the various rebel movements around the world I guess Maoists have been far more selective in targeting (at least more than than RNA) than various rebel groups around.

Would any foreigners even attempt to go into the territory held by FARC (another communist rebel movement) in Columbia since last 40 years. So many times they have taken foreign nationals as hostages and killed because these foreigners ventured inside their territory and FARC territory is NO GO zone for any foreigners no matter what.

At least the nepali Maoists have been allowing foreigners venturing into their territory after collecing 10-15$ in so called "TAX".

IndisGuise ji,
I am also sick of calling you didi for no reason and feel the same; "fruitless quest for stinking humor."

"Operation Romeo" and "Operation Kilo Shera 2" were two major mistakes done by Nepal police that still resound in the mind of Rukumeli and Rolpali janatas.

................"But past mistakes should not be taken into considerations to judge present right doings"..........................................


President of nepal, year 2035.............

the pictures posted by usofa are from nepal police's website: www.nepalpolice.gov.np, but the point is that although the media can't or chooses not to report the atrocities of RNA as it does to that of maoists.

as for the definition of terrorism, which some guys have brought forth for discussion, violence done by the state to maintain its hold on the power is also terrorism. and in the case of nepal, never be taken by the illusion that what RNA is doing is for the good of the common people. No, it's more for the king, and the shahs and the rana elites. the maosts might have the intention of doing for the good of the people, but so far their actions have proved that they have little control over what they want their cadres to do.

This might help neeta_ji and indisguise............
If you have to fight
Fight by the rules
NARESH NEWAR

It is an indication of just how seriously the world now takes the brutality of Nepal?s conflict that someone like Louise Arbour was here this week.

The former Canadian supreme court justice is a name associated with genocides in Rwanda and ex-Yugoslavia. She specialises in bringing war criminals to justice through international tribunals like she did the massacre perpetrators from Rwanda as well as Yugoslav president, Slobodan Milosevic.

Her presence in Nepal should have sent a chill down the spine of every commander and political or rebel leader under whose watch human rights atrocities are being committed. More than 12,000 Nepalis have lost their lives in the last nine years: most of them are unarmed civilians, butchered, disappeared, killed after arbitrary arrests and torture.

This week in Kathmandu, Arbour was outspoken in her criticism of state security and the Maoists and warned them that they would be held to account. ?In every part of the world, political and military leaders who thought themselves immune from persecution are now answering before the law for the gross human rights abuses they perpetrated,? Arbour said.

Nepal has signed more than a dozen international treaties and instruments that would allow the UN to get Nepali human rights violators into international courts. ?They are more than enough for the UN Security Council to set up tribunals for Nepali perpetrators,? Sher Bahadur KC of the Nepal Bar Association and international lawyer told us, ?and Arbour was here to assess the human rights situation under that UN provision.?

Arbour met King Gyanendra, Prime Minister Deuba, COAS Pyar Jung Thapa conveying her concern that there have been very few serious investigations and convictions of human rights abuses. The army was also given the message that human rights violations at home would affect the future of its UN peacekeeping operations abroad.

Arbour also met human rights activists and relatives of the disappeared. But her harshest words were for the Maoists who she warned shouldn?t think they exist in a legal vacuum. She told us: ?I would like to warn the leaders of the insurgency not to misread developments in the wider world nor to believe that they can operate outside of the law.? She said she was most concerned about the abductions of children, forced displacement of families, murders and extortion by the rebels. But even while Arbour was still in Nepal, Maoists went ahead with the abduction of 500 students and teachers in Dadeldhura and 750 in Sankhuwasabha for their indoctrination programs.

A UN team on involuntary disappearances was in Nepal last month and is scheduled to present its report in the run-up to a hearing on Nepal scheduled for March. Arbour?s office in Geneva will be looking at
progress till then.

PresidentofNepal

What kind of argument is that "but past mistakes should not be taken into account to judge present right doings"

If past mistakes were not taken into account, on what grounds would you take right directions for the present or the future ?

If such were the case, the leaders of the Nazi high command and the members of Nazi SS Guards would have been set free after the Allied Forces defeated German Armed Forces. Today no one would be able to remember Nazi Holocust and in such senario World War 3 would have followed just 20-25 years after the World War 2 ended in 1945.

Prithavi Narayan did not fight by Rule of Rights, Peace, Treaty, Law and Friendship.

Prithavi Narayan gave ordered to cut more than 100 pounds of tongs innocent Kirtipures people. Pritahvi Narayan make friendly relationship with king of Patan and Kathmandu, and attacked illegally in festivals while innocent people where brutally killed. In history of Nepal, Prithavi Narayan was the unrespectable and moral less king compare than other king. Back in historical time, two nations or two kings fought with agreement of battle rules like ? fight only in battleground and fight in daylight but stop in evening. But Prithavi Narayan broke so many treaties, rules and betrayed friendship. Pritavi Narayan Shah is a cheater than braver and dignitary.

Nepal has more than 40 years of Democracy. Moral less and Corrupted Nepalese Criminals never play in or respect the rules of democracy, human rights and Law.

To play by rule: There must be true democracy, human rights, justice, constitution, law and order. There must be educated and civilize people, society, religion and culture. There must be value, responsible, moral and respect in humans.

Otherwise, rule never ever works with Criminals.

NITU ; AGREED! NO SYSTEM IS BAD UNTIL N UNLESS THE PEOPLE RULING IT ARE HONEST! WHEN WE STUDY THE HISTORY OF NEPAL EVERY MAJOR CHANGES IN POLITICAL SITUATION HAS OCCURED AFTER AN ASSASSINATION, MAY IT BE FROM PRTIHVI NARAYAN OR JUNGA B. OR THE RULING PRESENT SHAH DYNASTY. LET?S HOPE FOR GOOD JO HOTA HAI ACHHEKE LIYE HOTA HAI!!!

ASTU!!!

The funny thing about Nepali politics is that people like to see an absolute consensus in democracy. Well, general consensus is attainable however no where in the world I have ever seen absolute consensus an any issue.